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		<title>Comment on To make money from social media, a newspaper plays consultant by The giNetwork is getting noticed &#124; Stephanie Romanski</title>
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		<dc:creator>The giNetwork is getting noticed &#124; Stephanie Romanski</dc:creator>
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		<title>Comment on J-school, failure, and waiting for the journalism fairy by Carnival of Fail &#8211; #jcarn Roundup 4 &#171; Carnival of Journalism</title>
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		<title>Comment on J-school, failure, and waiting for the journalism fairy by Courtney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Courtney</dc:creator>
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		<description>Good post, Mark. I can&#039;t say I haven&#039;t thought this very thing at one time or another: &quot;I desperately wanted for there to be a way I could learn journalism entirely in private, without ever having the chance to fail in public.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Mark. I can&#8217;t say I haven&#8217;t thought this very thing at one time or another: &#8220;I desperately wanted for there to be a way I could learn journalism entirely in private, without ever having the chance to fail in public.&#8221;</p>
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		<dc:creator>This Week in Review: AOL&#8217;s purge, aggregation v. original reporting, and a Times pay plan defense &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab &#187; Pushing to the Future of Journalism</dc:creator>
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		<title>Comment on Engagement, shovelware, magic bullets, and expanding the idea of journalism: Six themes from ISOJ by Matt Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Gardner</dc:creator>
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		<description>I&#039;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#039;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:

 http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#8217;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Engagement, shovelware, magic bullets, and expanding the idea of journalism: Six themes from ISOJ by Gregg Freishtat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg Freishtat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 16:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  

We are working on the infrastructure to help publishers do this.  Gregg Freishtat, CEO Vertical Acuity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  </p>
<p>We are working on the infrastructure to help publishers do this.  Gregg Freishtat, CEO Vertical Acuity.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Engagement, shovelware, magic bullets, and expanding the idea of journalism: Six themes from ISOJ by Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 12:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, Kevin. That&#039;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves - indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#039;re crucial for news organizations - but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#039;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.

It&#039;s the same issue I have with the term &quot;curation&quot; - it&#039;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Kevin. That&#8217;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves &#8211; indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#8217;re crucial for news organizations &#8211; but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#8217;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same issue I have with the term &#8220;curation&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Engagement, shovelware, magic bullets, and expanding the idea of journalism: Six themes from ISOJ by Korta klipp &#8211; 05 April 2011</title>
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		<dc:creator>Korta klipp &#8211; 05 April 2011</dc:creator>
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		<title>Comment on Engagement, shovelware, magic bullets, and expanding the idea of journalism: Six themes from ISOJ by Kevin Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 04:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#039;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#039;re not really doing engagement.

Certainly, I&#039;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. 

Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#039;s important. 

From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#039;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#039;t or shouldn&#039;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) 

There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#039;someone else&#039;s job&#039; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</description>
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<p>Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#8217;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#8217;re not really doing engagement.</p>
<p>Certainly, I&#8217;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. </p>
<p>Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#8217;s important. </p>
<p>From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#8217;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#8217;t or shouldn&#8217;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) </p>
<p>There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#8217;someone else&#8217;s job&#8217; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</p>
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		<dc:creator>The giNetwork is getting noticed &#124; Stephanie Romanski</dc:creator>
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		<dc:creator>Carnival of Fail &#8211; #jcarn Roundup 4 &#171; Carnival of Journalism</dc:creator>
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		<title>Comment on J-school, failure, and waiting for the journalism fairy by Courtney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Courtney</dc:creator>
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		<description>Good post, Mark. I can&#039;t say I haven&#039;t thought this very thing at one time or another: &quot;I desperately wanted for there to be a way I could learn journalism entirely in private, without ever having the chance to fail in public.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Mark. I can&#8217;t say I haven&#8217;t thought this very thing at one time or another: &#8220;I desperately wanted for there to be a way I could learn journalism entirely in private, without ever having the chance to fail in public.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Engagement, shovelware, magic bullets, and expanding the idea of journalism: Six themes from ISOJ by Matt Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 19:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#039;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:

 http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#8217;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</a></p>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg Freishtat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 16:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  

We are working on the infrastructure to help publishers do this.  Gregg Freishtat, CEO Vertical Acuity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  </p>
<p>We are working on the infrastructure to help publishers do this.  Gregg Freishtat, CEO Vertical Acuity.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Engagement, shovelware, magic bullets, and expanding the idea of journalism: Six themes from ISOJ by Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
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		<description>Agreed, Kevin. That&#039;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves - indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#039;re crucial for news organizations - but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#039;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.

It&#039;s the same issue I have with the term &quot;curation&quot; - it&#039;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Kevin. That&#8217;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves &#8211; indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#8217;re crucial for news organizations &#8211; but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#8217;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same issue I have with the term &#8220;curation&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Korta klipp &#8211; 05 April 2011</dc:creator>
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		<description>Mark,

Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#039;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#039;re not really doing engagement.

Certainly, I&#039;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. 

Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#039;s important. 

From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#039;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#039;t or shouldn&#039;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) 

There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#039;someone else&#039;s job&#039; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</description>
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<p>Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#8217;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#8217;re not really doing engagement.</p>
<p>Certainly, I&#8217;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. </p>
<p>Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#8217;s important. </p>
<p>From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#8217;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#8217;t or shouldn&#8217;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) </p>
<p>There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#8217;someone else&#8217;s job&#8217; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</p>
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		<description>Good post, Mark. I can&#039;t say I haven&#039;t thought this very thing at one time or another: &quot;I desperately wanted for there to be a way I could learn journalism entirely in private, without ever having the chance to fail in public.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Mark. I can&#8217;t say I haven&#8217;t thought this very thing at one time or another: &#8220;I desperately wanted for there to be a way I could learn journalism entirely in private, without ever having the chance to fail in public.&#8221;</p>
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		<description>I&#039;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#039;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:

 http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#8217;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</a></p>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg Freishtat</dc:creator>
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		<description>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  

We are working on the infrastructure to help publishers do this.  Gregg Freishtat, CEO Vertical Acuity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  </p>
<p>We are working on the infrastructure to help publishers do this.  Gregg Freishtat, CEO Vertical Acuity.</p>
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		<description>Agreed, Kevin. That&#039;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves - indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#039;re crucial for news organizations - but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#039;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.

It&#039;s the same issue I have with the term &quot;curation&quot; - it&#039;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Kevin. That&#8217;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves &#8211; indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#8217;re crucial for news organizations &#8211; but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#8217;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same issue I have with the term &#8220;curation&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</p>
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		<description>Mark,

Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#039;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#039;re not really doing engagement.

Certainly, I&#039;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. 

Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#039;s important. 

From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#039;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#039;t or shouldn&#039;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) 

There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#039;someone else&#039;s job&#039; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</description>
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<p>Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#8217;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#8217;re not really doing engagement.</p>
<p>Certainly, I&#8217;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. </p>
<p>Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#8217;s important. </p>
<p>From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#8217;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#8217;t or shouldn&#8217;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) </p>
<p>There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#8217;someone else&#8217;s job&#8217; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</p>
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		<description>Good post, Mark. I can&#039;t say I haven&#039;t thought this very thing at one time or another: &quot;I desperately wanted for there to be a way I could learn journalism entirely in private, without ever having the chance to fail in public.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Mark. I can&#8217;t say I haven&#8217;t thought this very thing at one time or another: &#8220;I desperately wanted for there to be a way I could learn journalism entirely in private, without ever having the chance to fail in public.&#8221;</p>
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		<description>I&#039;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#039;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:

 http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#8217;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</a></p>
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		<description>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  

We are working on the infrastructure to help publishers do this.  Gregg Freishtat, CEO Vertical Acuity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  </p>
<p>We are working on the infrastructure to help publishers do this.  Gregg Freishtat, CEO Vertical Acuity.</p>
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		<description>Agreed, Kevin. That&#039;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves - indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#039;re crucial for news organizations - but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#039;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.

It&#039;s the same issue I have with the term &quot;curation&quot; - it&#039;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Kevin. That&#8217;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves &#8211; indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#8217;re crucial for news organizations &#8211; but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#8217;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same issue I have with the term &#8220;curation&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</p>
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		<description>Mark,

Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#039;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#039;re not really doing engagement.

Certainly, I&#039;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. 

Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#039;s important. 

From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#039;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#039;t or shouldn&#039;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) 

There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#039;someone else&#039;s job&#039; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</description>
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<p>Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#8217;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#8217;re not really doing engagement.</p>
<p>Certainly, I&#8217;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. </p>
<p>Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#8217;s important. </p>
<p>From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#8217;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#8217;t or shouldn&#8217;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) </p>
<p>There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#8217;someone else&#8217;s job&#8217; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</p>
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		<description>Good post, Mark. I can&#039;t say I haven&#039;t thought this very thing at one time or another: &quot;I desperately wanted for there to be a way I could learn journalism entirely in private, without ever having the chance to fail in public.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Mark. I can&#8217;t say I haven&#8217;t thought this very thing at one time or another: &#8220;I desperately wanted for there to be a way I could learn journalism entirely in private, without ever having the chance to fail in public.&#8221;</p>
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		<description>Good post, Mark. I can&#039;t say I haven&#039;t thought this very thing at one time or another: &quot;I desperately wanted for there to be a way I could learn journalism entirely in private, without ever having the chance to fail in public.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Mark. I can&#8217;t say I haven&#8217;t thought this very thing at one time or another: &#8220;I desperately wanted for there to be a way I could learn journalism entirely in private, without ever having the chance to fail in public.&#8221;</p>
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		<description>I&#039;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#039;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:

 http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#8217;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</a></p>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg Freishtat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 16:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  

We are working on the infrastructure to help publishers do this.  Gregg Freishtat, CEO Vertical Acuity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  </p>
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		<description>Agreed, Kevin. That&#039;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves - indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#039;re crucial for news organizations - but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#039;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.

It&#039;s the same issue I have with the term &quot;curation&quot; - it&#039;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Kevin. That&#8217;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves &#8211; indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#8217;re crucial for news organizations &#8211; but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#8217;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same issue I have with the term &#8220;curation&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</p>
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		<description>Mark,

Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#039;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#039;re not really doing engagement.

Certainly, I&#039;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. 

Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#039;s important. 

From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#039;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#039;t or shouldn&#039;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) 

There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#039;someone else&#039;s job&#039; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#8217;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#8217;re not really doing engagement.</p>
<p>Certainly, I&#8217;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. </p>
<p>Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#8217;s important. </p>
<p>From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#8217;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#8217;t or shouldn&#8217;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) </p>
<p>There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#8217;someone else&#8217;s job&#8217; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</p>
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		<description>Good post, Mark. I can&#039;t say I haven&#039;t thought this very thing at one time or another: &quot;I desperately wanted for there to be a way I could learn journalism entirely in private, without ever having the chance to fail in public.&quot;</description>
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		<description>I&#039;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#039;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:

 http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#8217;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</a></p>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg Freishtat</dc:creator>
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		<description>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  

We are working on the infrastructure to help publishers do this.  Gregg Freishtat, CEO Vertical Acuity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  </p>
<p>We are working on the infrastructure to help publishers do this.  Gregg Freishtat, CEO Vertical Acuity.</p>
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		<description>Agreed, Kevin. That&#039;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves - indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#039;re crucial for news organizations - but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#039;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.

It&#039;s the same issue I have with the term &quot;curation&quot; - it&#039;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Kevin. That&#8217;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves &#8211; indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#8217;re crucial for news organizations &#8211; but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#8217;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same issue I have with the term &#8220;curation&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</p>
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		<description>Mark,

Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#039;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#039;re not really doing engagement.

Certainly, I&#039;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. 

Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#039;s important. 

From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#039;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#039;t or shouldn&#039;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) 

There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#039;someone else&#039;s job&#039; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</description>
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<p>Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#8217;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#8217;re not really doing engagement.</p>
<p>Certainly, I&#8217;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. </p>
<p>Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#8217;s important. </p>
<p>From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#8217;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#8217;t or shouldn&#8217;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) </p>
<p>There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#8217;someone else&#8217;s job&#8217; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 19:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#039;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:

 http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#8217;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 13:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Mark. I can&#039;t say I haven&#039;t thought this very thing at one time or another: &quot;I desperately wanted for there to be a way I could learn journalism entirely in private, without ever having the chance to fail in public.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Mark. I can&#8217;t say I haven&#8217;t thought this very thing at one time or another: &#8220;I desperately wanted for there to be a way I could learn journalism entirely in private, without ever having the chance to fail in public.&#8221;</p>
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		<description>I&#039;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#039;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:

 http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#8217;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</a></p>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg Freishtat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 16:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  

We are working on the infrastructure to help publishers do this.  Gregg Freishtat, CEO Vertical Acuity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  </p>
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		<description>Agreed, Kevin. That&#039;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves - indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#039;re crucial for news organizations - but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#039;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.

It&#039;s the same issue I have with the term &quot;curation&quot; - it&#039;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Kevin. That&#8217;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves &#8211; indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#8217;re crucial for news organizations &#8211; but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#8217;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same issue I have with the term &#8220;curation&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Anderson</dc:creator>
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		<description>Mark,

Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#039;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#039;re not really doing engagement.

Certainly, I&#039;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. 

Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#039;s important. 

From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#039;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#039;t or shouldn&#039;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) 

There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#039;someone else&#039;s job&#039; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</description>
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<p>Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#8217;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#8217;re not really doing engagement.</p>
<p>Certainly, I&#8217;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. </p>
<p>Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#8217;s important. </p>
<p>From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#8217;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#8217;t or shouldn&#8217;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) </p>
<p>There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#8217;someone else&#8217;s job&#8217; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</p>
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		<description>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  

We are working on the infrastructure to help publishers do this.  Gregg Freishtat, CEO Vertical Acuity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  </p>
<p>We are working on the infrastructure to help publishers do this.  Gregg Freishtat, CEO Vertical Acuity.</p>
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		<description>Good post, Mark. I can&#039;t say I haven&#039;t thought this very thing at one time or another: &quot;I desperately wanted for there to be a way I could learn journalism entirely in private, without ever having the chance to fail in public.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Mark. I can&#8217;t say I haven&#8217;t thought this very thing at one time or another: &#8220;I desperately wanted for there to be a way I could learn journalism entirely in private, without ever having the chance to fail in public.&#8221;</p>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 19:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#039;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:

 http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#8217;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</a></p>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg Freishtat</dc:creator>
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		<description>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  

We are working on the infrastructure to help publishers do this.  Gregg Freishtat, CEO Vertical Acuity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  </p>
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		<description>Agreed, Kevin. That&#039;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves - indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#039;re crucial for news organizations - but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#039;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.

It&#039;s the same issue I have with the term &quot;curation&quot; - it&#039;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Kevin. That&#8217;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves &#8211; indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#8217;re crucial for news organizations &#8211; but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#8217;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same issue I have with the term &#8220;curation&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</p>
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		<description>Mark,

Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#039;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#039;re not really doing engagement.

Certainly, I&#039;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. 

Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#039;s important. 

From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#039;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#039;t or shouldn&#039;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) 

There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#039;someone else&#039;s job&#039; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</description>
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<p>Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#8217;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#8217;re not really doing engagement.</p>
<p>Certainly, I&#8217;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. </p>
<p>Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#8217;s important. </p>
<p>From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#8217;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#8217;t or shouldn&#8217;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) </p>
<p>There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#8217;someone else&#8217;s job&#8217; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</p>
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		<description>Agreed, Kevin. That&#039;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves - indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#039;re crucial for news organizations - but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#039;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.

It&#039;s the same issue I have with the term &quot;curation&quot; - it&#039;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Kevin. That&#8217;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves &#8211; indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#8217;re crucial for news organizations &#8211; but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#8217;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same issue I have with the term &#8220;curation&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</p>
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		<description>Good post, Mark. I can&#039;t say I haven&#039;t thought this very thing at one time or another: &quot;I desperately wanted for there to be a way I could learn journalism entirely in private, without ever having the chance to fail in public.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Mark. I can&#8217;t say I haven&#8217;t thought this very thing at one time or another: &#8220;I desperately wanted for there to be a way I could learn journalism entirely in private, without ever having the chance to fail in public.&#8221;</p>
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		<description>I&#039;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#039;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:

 http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#8217;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</a></p>
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		<description>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  

We are working on the infrastructure to help publishers do this.  Gregg Freishtat, CEO Vertical Acuity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  </p>
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		<description>Agreed, Kevin. That&#039;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves - indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#039;re crucial for news organizations - but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#039;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.

It&#039;s the same issue I have with the term &quot;curation&quot; - it&#039;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Kevin. That&#8217;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves &#8211; indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#8217;re crucial for news organizations &#8211; but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#8217;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same issue I have with the term &#8220;curation&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</p>
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		<description>Mark,

Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#039;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#039;re not really doing engagement.

Certainly, I&#039;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. 

Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#039;s important. 

From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#039;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#039;t or shouldn&#039;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) 

There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#039;someone else&#039;s job&#039; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</description>
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<p>Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#8217;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#8217;re not really doing engagement.</p>
<p>Certainly, I&#8217;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. </p>
<p>Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#8217;s important. </p>
<p>From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#8217;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#8217;t or shouldn&#8217;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) </p>
<p>There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#8217;someone else&#8217;s job&#8217; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Carnival of Fail &#8211; #jcarn Roundup 4 &#171; Carnival of Journalism</dc:creator>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 13:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Mark. I can&#039;t say I haven&#039;t thought this very thing at one time or another: &quot;I desperately wanted for there to be a way I could learn journalism entirely in private, without ever having the chance to fail in public.&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 19:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#039;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:

 http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#8217;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</a></p>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg Freishtat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 16:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  

We are working on the infrastructure to help publishers do this.  Gregg Freishtat, CEO Vertical Acuity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  </p>
<p>We are working on the infrastructure to help publishers do this.  Gregg Freishtat, CEO Vertical Acuity.</p>
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		<description>Agreed, Kevin. That&#039;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves - indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#039;re crucial for news organizations - but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#039;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.

It&#039;s the same issue I have with the term &quot;curation&quot; - it&#039;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Kevin. That&#8217;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves &#8211; indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#8217;re crucial for news organizations &#8211; but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#8217;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same issue I have with the term &#8220;curation&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</p>
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		<description>Mark,

Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#039;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#039;re not really doing engagement.

Certainly, I&#039;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. 

Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#039;s important. 

From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#039;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#039;t or shouldn&#039;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) 

There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#039;someone else&#039;s job&#039; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#8217;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#8217;re not really doing engagement.</p>
<p>Certainly, I&#8217;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. </p>
<p>Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#8217;s important. </p>
<p>From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#8217;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#8217;t or shouldn&#8217;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) </p>
<p>There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#8217;someone else&#8217;s job&#8217; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 04:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#039;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#039;re not really doing engagement.

Certainly, I&#039;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. 

Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#039;s important. 

From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#039;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#039;t or shouldn&#039;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) 

There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#039;someone else&#039;s job&#039; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#8217;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#8217;re not really doing engagement.</p>
<p>Certainly, I&#8217;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. </p>
<p>Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#8217;s important. </p>
<p>From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#8217;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#8217;t or shouldn&#8217;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) </p>
<p>There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#8217;someone else&#8217;s job&#8217; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</p>
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		<title>Comment on To make money from social media, a newspaper plays consultant by The giNetwork is getting noticed &#124; Stephanie Romanski</title>
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		<dc:creator>The giNetwork is getting noticed &#124; Stephanie Romanski</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] to talk to people about The Independent&#8216;s successful giNetwork program and then read a well-written post about it stemming from that discussion. Thank you [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>Carnival of Fail &#8211; #jcarn Roundup 4 &#171; Carnival of Journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 10:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8216;awesome last name&#8217; Coddington &#8211; writes about a missed opportunity when he was a college journalist. A timid sportswriter, he was afraid to go out and do the kind of reporting he knew he could, [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>Courtney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 13:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Mark. I can&#039;t say I haven&#039;t thought this very thing at one time or another: &quot;I desperately wanted for there to be a way I could learn journalism entirely in private, without ever having the chance to fail in public.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Mark. I can&#8217;t say I haven&#8217;t thought this very thing at one time or another: &#8220;I desperately wanted for there to be a way I could learn journalism entirely in private, without ever having the chance to fail in public.&#8221;</p>
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		<dc:creator>This Week in Review: AOL&#8217;s purge, aggregation v. original reporting, and a Times pay plan defense &#187; Nieman Journalism Lab &#187; Pushing to the Future of Journalism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 14:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] poor use of Twitter by mainstream media outlets, and lessons on audience engagement. I also summarized the conference&#8217;s main [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Engagement, shovelware, magic bullets, and expanding the idea of journalism: Six themes from ISOJ by Matt Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 19:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#039;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:

 http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in agreement on the first bullet point you brought up. Twitter is not meant to be something where journalists just use the site as a portal to their newspaper&#8217;s online website. You hit the nail right on the head when you said that journalists should be engaging their readers instead of leading them elsewhere to find a story. The story they are looking for should be on Twitter. Creating a conversation on that website is important for the retaining of readers. I also found an interesting example relating to your point from another journalist:</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/reports/article/101882/What-Is-Journalisms-Place-in-Social-Media.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Engagement, shovelware, magic bullets, and expanding the idea of journalism: Six themes from ISOJ by Gregg Freishtat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg Freishtat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 16:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  

We are working on the infrastructure to help publishers do this.  Gregg Freishtat, CEO Vertical Acuity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. I think your comments on engagement are spot on.  Google, Facebook and others who are in the content discovery business have fundamentally changed how consumers engage with sites and brands.  To rebuild a coherent business models publishers must regain their status as a point of content discovery and not just a one article experience.   Publishers must curate others content to their audience and monetize their content on others site when they do not have the audience.  </p>
<p>We are working on the infrastructure to help publishers do this.  Gregg Freishtat, CEO Vertical Acuity.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Engagement, shovelware, magic bullets, and expanding the idea of journalism: Six themes from ISOJ by Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 12:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, Kevin. That&#039;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves - indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#039;re crucial for news organizations - but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#039;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.

It&#039;s the same issue I have with the term &quot;curation&quot; - it&#039;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Kevin. That&#8217;s kind of what I was trying to get at, and you expressed it much better than I did. I have no problem with the practices of engagement themselves &#8211; indeed, as I said in the post, I think they&#8217;re crucial for news organizations &#8211; but more with the way the term gets used in a fuzzy, catch-all sort of way that doesn&#8217;t capture all of what it could mean in practice.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same issue I have with the term &#8220;curation&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s a vital concept that we in journalism need to understand and practice, but the word is in real danger of being co-opted by marketing types and thus losing its punch.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Korta klipp &#8211; 05 April 2011</dc:creator>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 04:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#039;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#039;re not really doing engagement.

Certainly, I&#039;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. 

Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#039;s important. 

From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#039;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#039;t or shouldn&#039;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) 

There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#039;someone else&#039;s job&#039; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>Thanks for the summary of conference. I would like to politely challenge your sense that engagement is a buzzword or marketing speak. I might suggest that engagement feels like a buzzword because it&#8217;s value has been debased not because the strategy is without value but because we&#8217;re not really doing engagement.</p>
<p>Certainly, I&#8217;ve heard a lot of journalists refer to engagement as marketing. One former colleague believed that as blogs editor my role was little more than editorial marketing, pushing our content to bloggers or folks on Twitter. </p>
<p>Real engagement, with journalists interacting with their audiences, is good in terms of the democratic role of journalism and good for helping us create a new model for sustainable journalism businesses. Since I started blogging in 2004 (then for the BBC), I realised that there was a possibility to re-engage audiences in civic discussions. That&#8217;s important. </p>
<p>From a business standpoint, poor loyalty metrics (pages per session, dwell time and average time per user per month) are making it hard for newspapers to replace declining print revenues with digital revenues. An engaged audience is a loyal audience, but journalists have to be part of that engagement. We can&#8217;t outsource it automated feeds so that Twitter just becomes RSS 2.0, and we can&#8217;t or shouldn&#8217;t outsource it community engagement managers. (I think they have a role but not one where only they are responsible for engaging with audiences.) </p>
<p>There is a huge opportunity here, but journalists seeing it as &#8217;someone else&#8217;s job&#8217; and editors all too willing to let marketing departments own engagement are making sure that engagement becomes another bit of marketing double-speak. The problem lies not in the term but in the practice.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Courtney Shove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the summary post of the Carnival of Journalism&#039;s Topic II responses:

http://carnivalofjournalism.com/2011/02/18/carnival-roundup-no-2-increasing-news-sources-jcarn/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the summary post of the Carnival of Journalism&#8217;s Topic II responses:</p>
<p><a href="http://carnivalofjournalism.com/2011/02/18/carnival-roundup-no-2-increasing-news-sources-jcarn/" rel="nofollow">http://carnivalofjournalism.com/2011/02/18/carnival-roundup-no-2-increasing-news-sources-jcarn/</a></p>
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